

Trump wanted to turn the US military on American citizens while he was president.

By Dr. Marcus Hedahl
Professor of Philosophy
United States Naval Academy

By Dr. Bradley Jay Strawser
Professor of Philosophy
Naval Postgraduate School
Introduction
On the campaign trail, former President Donald Trump has declared there are serious threats to the United States. First, he said, there is โthe outside enemy, and then we have the enemy from within, and the enemy from within, in my opinion, is more dangerous,โ as he told Fox News in an Oct. 13, 2024, interview.
He went on to say that โthe bigger problem are the people from within. We have some very bad people. We have some sick people, radical left lunatics. And I think. And it should be very easily handled by,ย if necessary, by National Guardย or, if really necessary, by the military.โ
When asked on CNN about Trumpโs remarks about using the military on U.S. soil, Mark Esper, one of five people who led the Defense Department during Trumpโs presidency, said Americans โshould take those words seriously,โ most especially because Trump had already tried to do so when he was president.
As professors of military ethics, we worry thatย Trumpโs actionsย while president, and his comments about his plans for a potential second term, may put the military in a tough position. The July 1, 2024, Supreme Courtย ruling giving the president immunityย for official acts โ potentially including as commander in chief of the military โ would make that tough position even more difficult.
Response to Demonstrations
In the summer of 2020, protests, including some violent ones, arose in cities around the U.S. in the wake of theย May 25 murder of George Floyd. Then-President Trump announced he was consideringย sending the U.S. military into the streetsย of several American cities. He had alreadyย deployed some National Guard members in Washingtonย in an effort to control the demonstrations there.
At the time, the two of us considered the possibility of dissent within the military hierarchy, saying that resistance would be most effective โif it were to come from those at the top.โ
Indeed, many of the highest-rankingย generals, admirals andย Cabinet-level advisersย resisted Trumpโs requests to send the military to โbeat the fโ outโ of protesters and โcrack their skullsโ โ or even โjust shoot them.โ
Though Trump reportedly wanted toย bring as many as 10,000 soldiers to Washington, fewer troops were deployed in the nationโs capital. No federal military personnel were used against public demonstrations in the U.S. that summer. Some National Guard troops wereย called up by state governors, not federal orders.
The Reasons for Civilian Control

For his potential second term, Trumpย says he wantsย to hireย Cabinet and other government officialsย who willย follow his orders without question, rather than people who mightย try to preventย his worst inclinations from being enacted.
Questions about dissent and disobedience will therefore likely fall on those at more junior levels of military service in a second Trump administration than they did in the first.
The U.S. military has long been dedicated to the principle of civilian control. To minimize the chance of the kind of military occupation they suffered during the Revolutionary War, the countryโs foundersย wrote the Constitutionย requiring that the president, an elected civilian, would be the commander in chief of the military. In the wake of World War II, Congress went even further, restructuring the military and requiring that theย secretary of defense be a civilian as well.
For that reason, in a time of increasing political polarization,ย military educational institutions are focusing even more explicitlyย on the oath military members take to the Constitution, rather than to a person or an office.
As theย Joint Chiefs of Staff reminded the militaryย after the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection, and just before the inauguration of Joe Biden as president, military personnel serve the nationโs interests, not those of a politician or a political party.
Nonpartisanship Could become Partisan
When faced with a potential order to deploy the U.S. military within the nationโs borders, however, service members may find themselves in a situation where upholding the militaryโs tradition of staying out of politics could itself appear partisan.
Military members have a duty to obey orders from superior officers. But as military ethicists, we recognize that the content of an order is not the only factor that determines whether it is a moral one.
The political motivation for an order may be equally important. Thatโs because the militaryโs obligation to stay out of politics isย deeply intertwinedย with the mutual obligation of civilian officials not to use the military for partisan reasons.
If an elected official were to attempt to use the military for obviously partisan ends, the decisions of military personnel to either follow the order or resist it would open them up to accusations of partisanship โ even if their actions were attempts to protect theย militaryโs strict partisan neutrality.
At the nationโs founding, John Adams and Thomas Jefferson worried about a military that would beย loyal to a particular leader rather than to a form of government. James Madison was concerned that soldiers might be used by thoseย in power as instruments of oppression against the citizenry.
Trump has said the National Guard or the military could โeasily handleโ political protesters. He has recommended one โreally rough, nastyโ hour of police violence to curb criminal activity. He has expressed a desire for military officers to beย obedient to him and not the Constitution.
Itโs not clear that military members could follow those kinds of orders and remain nonpartisan. By refusing to follow orders about military deployment to U.S. cities for political ends, members of the armed forces could actually be respecting, rather than undermining, the principle of civilian control. After all, the framers always intended it to beย the peopleโs military โ not the presidentโs.
Risks for Military Members

There is aย long line of military heroesย whoย had the moral courageย not to follow immoral orders. In fact, it was a junior officer whoย first exposedย the widespread use of torture in the global war on terror.
That particular example may be useful to consider in the weeks and months ahead, given theย significant effortย at the time to argue that some of those immoral orders could nonetheless be legal.
Recently,ย some of Trumpโs former military advisersย have raised concerns about the the potential use of U.S. troops in American cities. But several of his civilian advisers haveย already recommended being less reticent about finding legal means toย deploy the military within the country. And a July 1, 2024, Supreme Courtย ruling gave the president criminal immunityย for official acts โ which almost certainly include giving orders to the military.
Regardless of who wins the 2024 presidential election, there will likely be significant protests over policy โ perhaps even over the results themselves. If the military is ever called in because of those actions, military members would have to consider whether they could ethically follow the orders to do so. To be ready to answer these important questions, they have to consider them now.
We often ask our students to imagine themselves in numerous different ethical situations, both real and hypothetical. In the present circumstance, we believe one set of ethical questions could quickly become very concrete for those serving:
โWould you obey an order from a president โ a particular president giving an order for a particular reason โ to deploy to a U.S. city? What might it mean for the nation if you did? And what might it mean forย American democracyย if, in some circumstances, you were brave enough not to?โ
Many Americans claim to venerate military men and women,ย thanking them for their serviceย and standing to celebrate them atย sporting events. They may need much more support than that from the American people, and soon.
Originally published by The Conversation, 10.25.2024, under the terms of a Creative Commons Attribution/No derivatives license.


